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I did this offline cause I doubt anyone would want to do 100 laps. All 100 laps are available in .rec format in the downloads section.

VLR is doing 100 laps on July 27th

What track/chassis? I'm sure It's gonna be the crappy gen 5...

Gen 5's are cool, but this season it looks like we're gonna be doing the UMP Hell Lates. First race will be a big money race.

Will last place get anything?

VLR_Shock wrote: Gen 5's are cool, but this season it looks like we're gonna be doing the UMP Hell Lates. First race will be a big money race.

They handle like sh!t and everyone will have a fantastic reason for running you over
I like the whole tire wear deal but these cars handle terrible from the get go

BMS wrote:

VLR_Shock wrote: Gen 5's are cool, but this season it looks like we're gonna be doing the UMP Hell Lates. First race will be a big money race.

They handle like sh!t and everyone will have a fantastic reason for running you over
I like the whole tire wear deal but these cars handle terrible from the get go

Yeha, people still like them though and I was gonna make a new chassis that has better handling, with the tire wear, but people said there are too many chassis already and I agree :/

The UMP Hells aren't supposed to handle great though lol

UMP's for 40 laps ok....but 100 laps kinda silly really because it will take the compound selection out of the equation because everyone will be on extra hards and be completely shot by lap 60. Dont be offended, just my opinion. Like a$$holes,everybody has one lol

How does the tire wear dealio work?

all compounds have accelerated wear which is fun on a 40 lap race because guys on soft tires get away for the first half of the race but as their tires wear the guys on harder tires begin to catch up and at the end everyone is still usually pretty close together.

Personally I don't know why we ever got away from the G5's ,everyone started making a ton of chassis which I believe actually chased alot of folks away. I made a chassis but that was strictly for offline AI purposes.

I made the CLM 2013 and messed around with an SLM beta but couldnt get it prefected so i never released it to the public. I understand people want to make chassis and contribute what they like to the public but the community worked alot better together when very few chassis where used.

BMS wrote: UMP's for 40 laps ok....but 100 laps kinda silly really because it will take the compound selection out of the equation because everyone will be on extra hards and be completely shot by lap 60. Dont be offended, just my opinion. Like a$$holes,everybody has one lol

No offense Ray, but that's not how it works. And without giving my hand away, I can tell you I have no plans to use an extra hard tire for the race . The tire wear is the same in 10 laps as it is in 100. It's time scaled. Which means in a 10 lap race on softs, your tires will be the same worn out as they would after 40 laps or 100 laps on softs. So while soft tires may be completely red by lap 25 on a 40 lap race, they won't be completely red until lap 70ish of a 100 lap race. Which means by the time lap 75 comes you will have a pretty big lead, however your tires will have more laps to wear out.

So I think it'll be even crazier than a normal 40 lap race. You guys can use extra hards if you want and I'll take a chance on something softer . But yeah, it's time scaled which is why when we do qualifying you're likely gonna have to use something other than soft tires to get the best lap because on soft tires they will be too worn out before you complete lap two.

Does that make sense Ray? Basically it doesn't matter the number of laps since it's a time scale thing. Granted if you have 30 laps of a horrible handling car on soft tires it's gonna be tough to win, but I might be up to the task lol.

F1yer wrote: How does the tire wear dealio work?

Basically what Ray said. For example, this is what happened in a race the other day:

I checked out and was apparently the only guy on soft tires. The soft tires have a bigger speed boost than the Gen 5's or any other cars which means you can storm out to a lead but they fade quicker obviously. Well I had a two second lead on softs and froze.

I restarted 10th with 20 to go and decided to risk taking softs again.I was the only one using them again and I went from tenth to first in three laps without much trouble (and no I didn't run over half the field ). It was actually a good choice for that track and i had a fast car and got out to around 8 car length lead before the guys on harder tires began closing in. By lap 18 Wheel and BW had caught me on their harder tires and my car was handling pretty terrible and Wheel bumped me out of the way to take the lead. He didn't mean to I don't think, he just had a lot faster car at the time and didn't realize how bad my tires were.

Another instance is when I had almost a two second lead at Knoxville 2k11 on soft tires and ended up finishing 6th lol. I was leading with 15 to go and tires just fell apart and I was getting passed about every lap by someone.

Generally the soft tires will buy you about 2-4 tenths a lap over the field for the first 40ish percent of a race, but then you even out for a lap or two before losing about that much or more a lap until the end of the race. If you stretch a lead out far enough and the guys behind you are battling then you may get lucky and win, which is what I was hoping for in those races. If the field gets single file though and consistent you'll probably be in trouble.

I put mediums on all my tires and my car was pretty good for all 100 laps. Anyone who runs softs for 100 lap races are pretty dumb.

VLR_Shock wrote:

BMS wrote: UMP's for 40 laps ok....but 100 laps kinda silly really because it will take the compound selection out of the equation because everyone will be on extra hards and be completely shot by lap 60. Dont be offended, just my opinion. Like a$$holes,everybody has one lol

No offense Ray, but that's not how it works. And without giving my hand away, I can tell you I have no plans to use an extra hard tire for the race . The tire wear is the same in 10 laps as it is in 100. It's time scaled. Which means in a 10 lap race on softs, your tires will be the same worn out as they would after 40 laps or 100 laps on softs. So while soft tires may be completely red by lap 25 on a 40 lap race, they won't be completely red until lap 70ish of a 100 lap race. Which means by the time lap 75 comes you will have a pretty big lead, however your tires will have more laps to wear out.

So I think it'll be even crazier than a normal 40 lap race. You guys can use extra hards if you want and I'll take a chance on something softer . But yeah, it's time scaled which is why when we do qualifying you're likely gonna have to use something other than soft tires to get the best lap because on soft tires they will be too worn out before you complete lap two.

Does that make sense Ray? Basically it doesn't matter the number of laps since it's a time scale thing. Granted if you have 30 laps of a horrible handling car on soft tires it's gonna be tough to win, but I might be up to the task lol.

No offense taken ,thank you for explaining,understood.

Agoldfish wrote: I put mediums on all my tires and my car was pretty good for all 100 laps. Anyone who runs softs for 100 lap races are pretty dumb.

Or a genius. I will let you know on July 27th. I'm more worried about my crappy new internet holding up for 100 laps than my tires

Lol, what's your down/up speed?

At old house it was 30+ down and 4+ up, now it's 1.08mbps at best down and 0.15mbps up and they said they have no plans to upgrade our area so they'll continue screwing us over as long as people here are willing to pay so it's time to make a etition or SOMETHING to get them to do something.