that's what i was trying to say, I usually say so much it gets to looking like i am criticizing but i am not. I just think this as well as sce and other racing games that you can use a wheel on, would be the most realistic view and feeling as you can get. DTR2 has the best racing I have experienced online, I raced iracing, sce, and as many rfactor cars as I could, I did find that INDY car is AWESOME in rfactor, but they all have the same concept if your in car and on a wheel, yu have to pass and try to win. I don't knock anyone for using a controller, I ONLY say they are beating thierselves, because they are not getting the fullest racing experience, not because they suck, but becasue if they ran in-car and on a wheel, they would get that "rush" of being in a race car and challenging another driver in the corners without knowing where he is at, and expecting him to hold his line. from what I have seen from the "chase view", you can see 360* around you and able to keep on the throttle till you know you can't. with in-car you have to guess at that and time it right, and hope it works, you have no idea if your able to clear his nose till you do it and hit or miss. So no, I am not saying anyone sucks or cheats because they use a controller in chase view, I am only stating they are beating their selves out of a "Natural" high! I almost get the same feeling I got im my real cars, I just don't hurt as bad the next day!!!