This has nothing to do with you Starnes!!! This is just in general, I like to speak my mind about stuff I see wrong to either make people see it or do something about it. Believe me, the City Maintenance of Kokomo HATES ME!!! I have a Structural Engineering degree and see lots wrong with our City LOL!! BUTI have never been "given" a spot in real racing, and I wont start now. Giving spots is not a part of racing, and should have never been used in this game. it that case, I should start at the back run everyone over, and give my win to one of my teammates. I bet we could win EVERY race like that!!! Way I see it, DTR2 Teams, should penalize ANY driver that cannot control their car in racing conditions. I could take all kinds of people out every race.Why not race the driver clean and then maybe both make the show, or you get a kick ass picturesque finish? My philosiphy on racing is, if you can't let off or run side by side for 100 laps without crashing the guy next to ya, or just plain run them over if they aint going fast enough for ya, then you aint cut out for racing and are just going to piss people off. Some people treat this as "just a game". Some treat it as "Racing". Well I lost my ride last year after 30 years of hard core , if you wreck someone your gonna get your ass kicked racing. To me, and I'm sure more than 80% of drivers on here, this is as close as I am going to get to hard core RACING (*not gaming) without spending thousands. I plan to spend close to $1000 for my stuff for this "game". So in that aspect, this is a lot more than a racing game to me and like I said, prolly ALOT of others. I have ALWAYS raced as clean as possible, even when there was big money on the boards, at then end of it all, I had more people around me than the winner. On here I run as hard and prolly a lil more aggresive, but you wont see me wrecking someone every race. Maybe in warmups you will, because I am going to try everything I can, to see what I can and can't do in a race. I run in-car so I cant 360* around my car, so I use my intuitions to "guess" where they are!!! I would like to see more people run in-car and use a wheel with force feeback ON, then they will see how good and fun and close to real as you can get without eating dirt. Then maybe they will realize it's a lot tuffer!!! IMO if you came to "have fun" or plan on wrecking poeple to win, just go to browser, they like that stuff and that's why I left browser racing! These people that put together League races and work their ass off to get a website going, aren't doing that to just be doing it. They are doing it with real racing points and lineups and qualifying to be in a "as real as we can get" scenario. They want the racing to be as close as possible, and YES I do know rubbing is racing, but when you rub someone too much they lose momentum thus lose the race. Not accusing anyone of anything, but man, people can see wrecks in front of them, why do they keep it floored? Maybe real racing spoiled me, but as a hard learner, I learned my lessons the hard way, got my ass kicked a couple times just for denting a car, seen others get thrown in jail for death threats, casue someone turned them on the last turn. IMO immature people with nothing better to do but piss people off, either end up very hurt, alone or will kill this game. NOONE wants to practice a track so someone who don't even care where the line is can just plow over ya, go to the A, and get lapped 10 times. K I will give thread back LMFAO, I feel better now!!!