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Maybe to you guys they're all the same. But I see big differences between them. Main difference in the gen3s is the GRT and Mstrbilt chassis. The GRT runs tighter while the Mstrbilt is real loose. And I can feel a difference in the Gen 4s. They definately don't all handle the same. Unless its just the fact that keys makes it different. Don't think I'll be getting a controller anytime soon, moneys tight and I don't like spending to begin with so something for a game won't fly well with Mom. I'll just take it step by step and practice running manual soon and see where it goes from there.

Ok, Jsn is as much to blame as well for getting me out there.

I mean knowing when to shift is a given, but knowing where to shift on some tracks is the thing that confuses some people. J-Mac, Shock is right go get you an Xbox 360 controller, I use all the same buttons as him except I use X to shift up and A to shift down.

JMac the Gen3 were designed by DW to handle different..each chassis has its own little difference and the same on the Limited Late Models from DW but they all run about the sames times with the proper setups..

Thats what I meant. I picked up on those differences which is why I run each of them on a track before a league race and choose whice one I use based on how they handle and react to the track. When I load the setups in, I get little differance in lap times, but there is still a differance in the handling of the car and from there I pick which one I use. At ERL this week, I was running the GRT 4. Last week I ran the Rayburn 4. Before a race, I test the GRT4, MstrBilt4, Rayburn4 and Rocket4 (because going thru all 16 would take too long and those are the 4 I made skins for) and the one that I feel like I drove the best, or most consistant, I run in that race. I didn't say that one was faster and one was way slower, I just said they handle different. Which they do. You said that yourself.